[GenerallySpeaking]

Got my performance sxs tie rods on last night order through rock life. Definitely are very beefy. Only thing I’m worried about is on full lock the tire is very close to them. Not sure if it will rub or not. Think that’s why the factory ones have the offset.

Well I got my performancesxs tie rods installed last night. Definitely are very beefy. Only thing I’m slightly worried about is the tire being very close to them on full lock. Think that’s why the factory ones have the offset

 

[lueck89]

Got my performance sxs tie rods on last night order through rock life. Definitely are very beefy. Only thing I’m worried about is on full lock the tire is very close to them. Not sure if it will rub or not. Think that’s why the factory ones have the offset. View attachment 75140
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View attachment 75141 Well I got my performancesxs tie rods installed last night. Definitely are very beefy. Only thing I’m slightly worried about is the tire being very close to them on full lock. Think that’s why the factory ones have the offset

Can you turn it all the way and take a picture of how close it is? I don't think I'd worry about a little rubbing on a round tube... if it does rub at full turn its very probable that you'll be going pretty slow so it's not like it'll hurt anything...

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[Pirate]

Well...I'm working my way through installing a Shock Therapy Rack Rack steering box. It requires a longer tie-rod than the General stock ones.
So I was told a certain PN from Assault Industries would work. Bought a set...nope over and inch to short. But I got some good information from an Engineer with Assault Industries.
One should not have more than 2 threads exposed between the tube the jamb nut and the end piece. Looking at your pics, you have a lot more thread than that exposed!
The thread on the rod at the bearing carrier end, is 14 - 1.5 metric thread. The other end is 5/8" - 18 SAE thread. For the Shock Therapy Race Rack, both ends of the tie-rod tube
are threaded 58/ - 18. The rack end is right hand thread and the outside end is left hand thread. Same is true for OEM tie-rods (had to go check).

All this typed, the weak point of the tie-rod is diameter at the bottom of the threads. So not very strong being the 14mm is smaller in diameter and so much of the threaded rod is exposed.

It would not surprise me to find that the OEM Polaris General tie-rods would be an excellent replacement. The shorter tie-rod would leave a whole lot less threaded, or weaker, rod exposed.
Might you be able to give me the length of the tie-rod from the ball joint end, the flat that goes against the steering box. to the end of the threads at the outside end? And the total length of
the threaded section where it broke? With that information, and my General steering assembly on the bench. I can tell you if the General tie-rods will work and leave you with less thread exposed.
Oh, and one more. Is the same amount of thread exposed on the other, undamaged, tie-rod? A pic would be great!
Pirate

 

[Pirate]

Thanks for the post. Went to www.performancesxsbushings.com and there found the tie-rod set. So much better than the Assault Industries on account of the tapered bolt used at the outboard end of the tie-rod and goes through the arm oh the bearing carrier.
Here is the taper bolt provided with the Assault Industries tie-rod set:
It's a bolt with plastic pieces to form the body section in the Heim and the plastic piece that forms the taper. Plastic?

Here is the Performance SXS Bushings taper bolt. One piece steel.

I've reached out to them about getting a set of their steel bolts. last thing I want it is a plastic piece giving it up out on the trail.

By the by, are you aware that SuperATV has purchased Assault Industries?

Pirate

 

[Mad max]

I broke both my tie rods or should I say the pos tie rods Polaris puts on these machines are very weak. My xp general
is a 2021 just put race driven.com tie rods on and shock therapy bump steer delete kit in since bump steer is a huge
issue in the utv industry that’s why Polaris put in stronger electric steering units in the later models so the driver doesn’t feel feed back in the steering wheel

 

[Pirate]

I now believe the problem with the Polaris tie-rods is...the balljoint ar the steering rack end.
It's fixed length. All the adjustment is put at the Bearing Carrier.
Look at any General, and you'll see a lot of the tie-rod threads showing at the Bearing Carrier ends. The bottom of those threads is the smallest diameter of the tie-rod. There is more than an inch of it exposed. And those exposed threads are in a great location to be damaged and the tie-rod snap.
The Alligator Performance Kryptonite tie-rods I've found. A ball joint at the rack end and a different style balljoint at the Bearing Carrier end. Look at their website and you'll see there are only about 4 threads showing at either end.

One should set the front end alignment by setting the BC end jamb nut with two threads exposed. Make alignment changes by lifting the BC balljoint pin out of the Bearing Carrier and turning the whole tie-rod and ball joint together.

Doing it this way the two exposed threads at the BC end is preserved. The more or less number of exposed threads will be at the rack end, covered by the rubber boot and pretty much up out of the damage zone!

I'm about done designing tie-rods that will allow me to use a Shock Therapy Race Rack. I've bought tie-rod components from three manufacturers. Designed the correct "tube" section and had them made on a CNC Lathe.
So I've spent a good bit of studying the Polaris and other designs. Post coming.
Pirate

 

[Mad max]

Mine both broke in the same place I hit a hidden stump about 10inches tall with the right tire broke the tie rod was running about 20mph anything faster than that the bump steer is so bad I can’t keep it straight on the trail.after the right
tie rod broke the machine shot across the trail hit a pine tree and not a little one between the left tire and bumper broke
the left tie rod and bent the lower control arm. I have the Troy lee edition Xp I paid cash for now I wish I would have financed it I would pick it up with my pallet forks on my tractor put it on my trailer take it back to Polaris with a few friends and push it off the trailer so it lands on it’s roof and be done with it. This thing could have killed me having been
an ASE certified mechanic excessive bump steer is dangerous and can cause these utv’s to be uncontrollable so if yours is all over the trail that’s the problem anything over .750 inch is excessive in these machines and many are in the
3-4 inch range industry wide the car you drive has an acceptable level of it auto makers have to keep quality control measures in place or people would crash and die and the government mandates it.

 

[Mad max]

 

[Buelligan666]

Mine both broke in the same place I hit a hidden stump about 10inches tall with the right tire broke the tie rod was running about 20mph anything faster than that the bump steer is so bad I can’t keep it straight on the trail.after the right
tie rod broke the machine shot across the trail hit a pine tree and not a little one between the left tire and bumper broke
the left tie rod and bent the lower control arm. I have the Troy lee edition Xp I paid cash for now I wish I would have financed it I would pick it up with my pallet forks on my tractor put it on my trailer take it back to Polaris with a few friends and push it off the trailer so it lands on it’s roof and be done with it. This thing could have killed me having been
an ASE certified mechanic excessive bump steer is dangerous and can cause these utv’s to be uncontrollable so if yours is all over the trail that’s the problem anything over .750 inch is excessive in these machines and many are in the
3-4 inch range industry wide the car you drive has an acceptable level of it auto makers have to keep quality control measures in place or people would crash and die and the government mandates it.

Punctuation would make this easier to read. What is the .75 and 3-4 inches you're referring to? If it was all over the trail before you wrecked it, maybe the alignment was off. Maybe that was a warning something needed looked at. My 18 G2 had 4+3 wheels from the dealer, bump steer was noticable, but not all over the place. My 20 XP4 runs straight as an arrow and the bump steer is minimal at best.

 

[Mad max]

.750 is 3/4 of an inch 3 to 4 inches is the amount of bump steer that is in a lot of these utv‘s an alignment can not fix bump
steer. you Need to look up bump steer and what it is,it’s built in to the machine I’m making fixtures to measure the exact
amount in mine,shock therapy has the patent for bump steer delete kits I have one to put in mine. There’s a lot of you-tube videos on it most people have never heard of it. Here’s the big problem one batch of machines can come through production with very little Bump steer the next run can and does come through production with 4 inches of bump steer.
‘My bad with the punctuation not bragging I made A’s in college composition 1 and 2. I’m just pissed after paying almost 35 k for a machine that I have to come behind the factory and fix there f-ups and the only alignment setting is toe that can be set on these machines

 

[Mad max]

I have a 2016 1000 rzr that I can run 45-50 mph on the same trail and go straight as an arrow no problems what so ever.
Bump steer is just luck of the draw as to how much is in it when it comes out of production. if it wasn’t a problem shock
theraphy wouldn’t be selling the **** out of there bump steer delete kits for $120 a set and bump steer can also be in the rear.

 

[Fyrewil]

Mine both broke in the same place I hit a hidden stump about 10inches tall with the right tire broke the tie rod was running about 20mph anything faster than that the bump steer is so bad I can’t keep it straight on the trail.after the right
tie rod broke the machine shot across the trail hit a pine tree and not a little one between the left tire and bumper broke
the left tie rod and bent the lower control arm. I have the Troy lee edition Xp I paid cash for now I wish I would have financed it I would pick it up with my pallet forks on my tractor put it on my trailer take it back to Polaris with a few friends and push it off the trailer so it lands on it’s roof and be done with it. This thing could have killed me having been
an ASE certified mechanic excessive bump steer is dangerous and can cause these utv’s to be uncontrollable so if yours is all over the trail that’s the problem anything over .750 inch is excessive in these machines and many are in the
3-4 inch range industry wide the car you drive has an acceptable level of it auto makers have to keep quality control measures in place or people would crash and die and the government mandates it.

Is your TLE all stock?

 

[Mad max]

Punctuation would make this easier to read. What is the .75 and 3-4 inches you're referring to? If it was all over the trail before you wrecked it, maybe the alignment was off. Maybe that was a warning something needed looked at. My 18 G2 had 4+3 wheels from the dealer, bump steer was noticable, but not all over the place. My 20 XP4 runs straight as an arrow and the bump steer is minimal at best.

I’m glad your machines don’t have much of a problem,wheels have no effect on bump steer and believe me if my toe setting was off I would have set it, I’VE PROBABLY done over 400 alignments on all kinds of vehicles,watch some of shock therapists videos on the subject Justin is an engenieer and pretty smart guy.take care and safe riding.

 

[Mad max]

Is your TLE all stock?

It was all stock till I put after market tie rods on it yesterday

 

[lueck89]

Mine both broke in the same place I hit a hidden stump about 10inches tall with the right tire broke the tie rod was running about 20mph anything faster than that the bump steer is so bad I can’t keep it straight on the trail.after the right
tie rod broke the machine shot across the trail hit a pine tree and not a little one between the left tire and bumper broke
the left tie rod and bent the lower control arm.

Your inability to drive is polaris's fault how?

#1) Hitting stuff WILL break something...

#2) I do 70-80 mph no problem with the xp. Did it ever dawn on you thst maybe something isn't aligned correctly. Or wasn't before you hit something. Maybe you should've taken it in before you hit something if it was that bad...

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[Buelligan666]

I’m glad your machines don’t have much of a problem,wheels have no effect on bump steer and believe me if my toe setting was off I would have set it, I’VE PROBABLY done over 400 alignments on all kinds of vehicles,watch some of shock therapists videos on the subject Justin is an engenieer and pretty smart guy.take care and safe riding.

In this video, Justin contradicts what you say about wheel offset and bump steer.

 

[Buelligan666]

I also do not see a bump steer delete kit on the Shock Therapist website for the Generals. Got a link?

 

[Fyrewil]

I also do not see a bump steer delete kit on the Shock Therapist website for the Generals. Got a link?

Its on there, should be the first item on the left "BSD"

 

[Mad max]

My wheels are stock

 

[Mad max]

In this video, Justin contradicts what you say about wheel offset and bump steer.

I didn’t say anything about running more offset than stock Justin is correct and much smarter than me if using more than a 5/2 offset you can run into problems I’m running the stock wheels and tires. The machine is going to Polaris tomorrow. When I finishing making the bumpsteer measuring device I will measure my general and my rzr thanks and have a good evening.