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My (HMF twin quiet core) muffler should be here in a few days. So looking forward to putting it on.
Also in the process of insulating/noise deadening everywhere I can (reasonably) get to.
Hopefully, I will have the same experience as others here and the machine will be less noisy and I (and the dog) can stop wearing hearing protection. I am taking sound pressure measurements as I go and will report my results when I am "finished". My "goal" is a 15 db(a) reduction from stock (between the muffler and my noise mitigation efforts). We'll see..............
 
Be interesting to find out how you do haven’t pulled the trigger on the exhaust yet have the sound deadening material in my shop just no time for install probably be a winter project
 
My (HMF twin quiet core) muffler should be here in a few days. So looking forward to putting it on.
Also in the process of insulating/noise deadening everywhere I can (reasonably) get to.
Hopefully, I will have the same experience as others here and the machine will be less noisy and I (and the dog) can stop wearing hearing protection. I am taking sound pressure measurements as I go and will report my results when I am "finished". My "goal" is a 15 db(a) reduction from stock (between the muffler and my noise mitigation efforts). We'll see..............
Keep us posted. Looking forward to more data
 
I haven't forgotten my promise to let you know how the muffler worked out.
I have (finally) received the muffler, but wanted to finish up some other noise mitigation efforts before I add the new muffler to the mix. Should have something to report within a week.....I hope.
 
Is it quieter than the stock exhaust ?
Yes.....but it's complicated.

I was planning on putting together a post for the group about my "journey", but I'll do it here instead in a greatly abbreviated version:

I spent a couple months (and a couple hundred $$$$) insulating and sound deadening the machine. These efforts netted me about a 4 dB(a) reduction in sound pressure (I recorded detailed measurements, taken with reasonably priced sound pressure meter, between each step). I then added the muffler and picked up another ~3dB(a) of reduction. Interestingly, my final resultant sound pressure level (-79 dB(a)) is almost exactly the same as another member here who only added the muffler (and reported about a 3dB higher starting point), as well as yet a third member who modified an automobile muffler. So three different approaches yielded a similar result, and I speculate that you just aren't going to get a machine of this nature (high reeving motor, CVT, poorly insulated, open cab) much quieter than about 78 to 79 dB(a). I researched yet a fourth approach (an after market add-on to the existing muffler) that I now suspect would have given the same results (but, of course, I don't have any data for it). Or, you could simply wear some noise canceling hearing protection (Bluetooth to your radio and/or an intercom system and you are good to go).

What does 79dB(a) sound like you may ask.
  • Your TV is probably at about 60 dB(a)
  • Our old Maytag washing machine (on wash cycle) ~66
  • Our Honda CRV going down the same test track I used for the all my measurements, with all the windows open, measured the same way (meter held between the driver and passenger's ears) ~70
  • My bandsaw ~74
  • My old, rattly, drill press ~84
  • Your Polaris General ~ 86 to 89

But not only is the sound pressure less, but the tone is less too. Where before it sounded like being inside a snare drum, it now sounds like?????? I don't really know. Maybe still somewhat like a drum, but not that irritating high pitch sound it used to have. This tone changed when I did the insulation/sound deadening, but reports from changing the muffler alone indicate similar results.

Should you do something to reduce the noise level of the machine???????????? Absolutely. (more on that in a moment)
However, which approach is somewhat dependent on how much money and time you are willing to spend. If I were to do it again, I would do the same (insulation and the HMF muffler) because I got the added advantage of reducing heat in the cab as well. But all the insulation was a lot of work and not every step gave a measurable reduction.

If you do decide to go with the HMF muffler though, note that it will not work with the Polaris OEM rear bumper as the bumper hits the muffler when you open the tailgate. (anyone in Oregon wana buy a Polaris rear bumper???)

Here IMO is the most important part. Not only is a quieter machine much less fatiguing but it is safer too. These machines are noisy (mine started out at ~86 dB(a) and another member's started out at ~.89dB(a). (measurements were the mean of multiple readings in the 5 to 25 mph range for both of us). And faster = louder. Human hearing damage starts at 85 dB(a) and, even more importantly, after a ton of research, I have learned (from the Cleveland University FETCHLAB.....look them up to see their qualifications) that the maximum recommended exposure for dogs is 80dB(a).....for four hours. Our dog rides with us.....indeed if she couldn't go (safely) then we would immediately get rid of the machine. So these modifications were necessary for us. Yes, there is hearing protection for dogs (we have some) that I will report on in a different post but we wanted to be able to most of our riding without..

I feel like I barely touched on what I did, but that is my quick and dirty answer. I hope it helps.
 
@Bendboater Curios as to if you have add a head liner to the roof? I noticed a significant change in tone when applying Kilmat and the Polaris Headliner to my roof. I don't know that it made it "quieter" but the tone definitely changed.
 
@Bendboater Curios as to if you have add a head liner to the roof? I noticed a significant change in tone when applying Kilmat and the Polaris Headliner to my roof. I don't know that it made it "quieter" but the tone definitely changed.
Yes I did.
I built a headliner of Kilmat and Siless Liner (and other closed cell foam) that is covered with heavy vinyl.
At the same time, I also put a piece of stall mat over the crack between the cab and bed (my rear window is at the back of the vehicle, above the tailgate.....more like a "SUV" rather than a "truck".
The above mentioned stall mat didn't do much for noise (maybe a couple 10th of a dB....which is super hard to measure), but it significantly reduced the heat coming up from the motor at this location.
The head liner reduced the SPL about 1.6 db(a). And, yes, I agree, it helped change the tone as well.

I should have mentioned this earlier but here are some thoughts about measuring sound pressure.
  • You can get apps for your phone. My understanding is that the Apple ones work better than the Android ones....I don't know since I have an Android phone. I tried two different Android apps and they did not agree with each other or my dedicated meter.
  • Lots of reflected noise all over the cab.....especially close to hard surfaces (i.e., the front windshield)....so you need to decide a standard place to make the measurements. I chose to make my in-cab measurements between the ears of the driver and passenger. The in-bed measurements (remember, it's all about the dog) were made about 24" back from this point.
  • Sound increases somewhat when the machine warms up....no idea why, but I observed it dozens of times.
  • The bed (where I measured anyway) is consistently 1 to 2 dB quieter than the cab (where I measured). Again, no windshield between them.

Sooooo much data and it's hard for me to spit out two months of research in just a few lines.
 
Bendboater, do you think that a headliner with carpet type material would be better for sound mitigation than vinyl? I was contemplating getting the Polaris headliner and making floormats out of rubber backed carpet. Thank you for taking the time to share all of your data. You have put a lot of time into and expense into it and we appreciate it.
 
I don't know, but I suspect that carpet or similar soft, fuzzy, material would be better than vinyl.
I simply used vinyl because I had it on hand for the rear firewall (inside the cab only of course) and under the seats as I wanted something easy to clean. I doubt there is a "right or wrong" way to do it.

Here's a couple ways to see how much of an impact lining the roof might make.
  • Remove the roof (super easy to do....though you may find a helper handy) and run the machine. I suspect you will have a big smile at how quiet it is.
  • With the roof back on the machine, wrap a heavy wool blanket around the inside of the roof. It will be nosier than without the roof, but still probably a little quieter than without the blanket (might be hard to detect without a sound pressure meter though). My guess is that whatever you do for a headliner will be somewhere between the two above experiments.

My method of making a headliner was a lot of work (I cut and shaped closed cell foam to fit before covering it with vinyl) and I do not recommend doing it this way. There are some great examples of headliners on this forum and I encourage you to review them as they are probably easier to make.....and likely just as effective too (heck, maybe more so????). Whatever you do though, I suggest putting Kilmat (or a similar product) on the underside of the roof first to stop the ringing (discussed below).

For reducing noise, try to incorporate both mass (heavy stuff like rubber) and soft materials like closed cell foam. Obviously, not all products make sense in every location (i.e.; you probably don't want to put foam on the motor side of the firewall). And, of course, you probably don't want to add 200 pounds of heavy rubber to your machine either.
Noise comes at you directly, reflects off hard surfaces (like your windshield), and also causes other materials to vibrate or ring (like your door panels) that then create their own noise signature. So don't expect one change to fix everything. It's a journey and every little step, even though you may not hear the difference, probably does make a difference.

I realize you didn't inquire about Kilmat, but I believe it is an essential component to helping with noise mitigation and you might want to try this experiment:
Take two identical tin cans. Stick some Kilmat on one (it doesn't have to be 100% coverage) and leave the other one naked. Now rap on the cans (where there is no Kilmat) with a hammer (or anything) and I suspect you will be astounded at how much quieter the one with the Kilmat is. Your machine from the factory is a lot like the tin can without the Kilmat (a snare drum). If you don't have any Kilmat, try putting several heavy (the heavier the better) rubber bands around the can. It won't be as good as the Kilmat, but you should be able to hear the difference (at least I can).

I hope this helps (if you can't tell, I like proving things out to myself with experiments).
 
My wife wanted me to put some foam padding over the bar between cab and bed so the dog wouldn't hit a hard steel bar when she jumps between the bed and cab. (Yup, it's all about the dog in this household.) As I was about to put the foam on this afternoon, I gave the bar a few taps with a screwdriver. "Bang, Bang, Bang" it went. Very "tinny sounding. So I took my own advice and put some Kilmat on two sides of the bar and repeated my scientifically calibrated taping with the screwdriver. "Thud, Thud, Thud" it went. Much better. Then I put the foam over that . While I doubt that it did much to reduce the overall noise level in the cab (I didn't repeat the measurements), it sure couldn't have hurt any by stopping that bar from ringing only about 14" away from my ears. This is what I meant earlier by little steps in the journey.

Curiosity will probably get the better of me and I will most likely repeat the series of noise measurements in a day or two just to see if it did any good. But I am not counting on it.
 
Great research Bendboater !! I just installed the twin loop exhaust and it is quieter for sure. Cruising speeds (4800-5000 rpms) I could really tell a difference. It has a different tone when you depress the LOUD pedal for sure. I put a SLP super quiet muffler on my old trusty Rzr 800 and it really helped with that machine it gets rid of that horrible droning noise at cruising speeds. At slower cruising speed with the general I can hear my stereo and can hold a conversation easily. Worth the money to me. I have not done any sound deading matting yet. It has to wait for a bit my garage and enclosed trailer need insulation first. It probably has been covered in other posts my general needed extra shimming to clear the frame and get the clearance between the exhausts even. Nothing too bad but had to take apart a few times and only lost one nut that dropped and went under the transmission LOL
 
That certainly sucks!
 
On my install I shimmed the mounting bracket downwards as far as it would go without altering the bottom bracket slot that goes on the trans/diff stud. I am almost getting full dumping movement. The bracket on the dump bed does hit the exhaust. Just ground down a small amount to get full movement. It does not affect the beds strengh.
 
On my install I shimmed the mounting bracket downwards as far as it would go without altering the bottom bracket slot that goes on the trans/diff stud. I am almost getting full dumping movement. The bracket on the dump bed does hit the exhaust. Just ground down a small amount to get full movement. It does not affect the beds strengh.
Thank you. Bummed to hear about grinding. And even more peculiar, HMF has no clue this issue exists. They sent a bunch of stock photos where it looks like the bed may or may not be able to fully dump but they deny there's an issue.
 
I removed the skid plate, put Dynamat under the entire bottom. I also did the front and rear firewalls, doors and under the headliner. My wife hated how loud it was stock. We can carry on a conversation now and the muffler should only help.
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Looking to do mine, question is that mat water proof, i know it has a metal like surface but will it hold up under your skid plate. and why not inside the machine or it does not matter.
 
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